if you get lots and lots of subsidies you will get jobs, but where you will see it iwith higher taxes elsewhere, which will shed jobs. john: each green job cost $175,000 each per job? >> if you really want jobs, you can make an argument in a crisis toubsidize jobs in the short run. you can get many more jobs if you focused on infrastructe or hospitals or other things where you would create a lot of great benefits and more jobs. john: you dispute this using wind power tcreate the same amount as nuclear plants are you in need to cover the state of rhode island. >> wind turbines are much less efficient partly because they take up a lot of space. john: and they're more efficient than the solar. >> they only work aboutne fourth of the time. you have to build a lot of backup power. the fuel is free, so potentially we couldet to a stuation where we are beneficial. but we are not there yet. john: but we are spending like we are. >> a lot of people, global warming, we have to do something now. actually global warng, we have to find smart ways to make sure we can get everybody on board, not jus